European midweek testing #1 Chat Transcript

Below is a copy of the chat transcript for the 24/11/10 European midweek testing session:

[24/11/2010 19:34:26] *** European Weekend Testers added Darren McMillan ***

[24/11/2010 19:34:33] European Weekend Testers: Welcome Darren

[24/11/2010 19:34:40] European Weekend Testers: Please download the application Stellarium from http://sourceforge.net/projects/stellarium/ for our inaugural session of WeekNight testing.

[7:28 PM] European Weekend Testers:

<<< Mission:

- Learn the application for 15 min starting from 19:30

- Look for functional bugs for the next 45 min.

[24/11/2010 19:34:45] Darren McMillan: Hi everyone ;)

[24/11/2010 19:34:55] anandramdeo: Hi Everyone.

[24/11/2010 19:35:06] Rakesh Reddy: Hi :)

[24/11/2010 19:35:19] European Weekend Testers: Hi Darren, Anand, Rakesh

[24/11/2010 19:35:37] European Weekend Testers: We have started working on the session

[24/11/2010 19:35:50] European Weekend Testers: Please download the application Stellarium from http://sourceforge.net/projects/stellarium/ for our inaugural session of WeekNight testing.

[24/11/2010 19:36:01] European Weekend Testers: and the mission for the session is

[24/11/2010 19:36:08] European Weekend Testers: – Learn the application for 15 min starting from 19:30

- Look for functional bugs for the next 45 min.

[24/11/2010 19:36:30] European Weekend Testers: We shall start descussing our test ideas, strategies, etc @ 20:30

[24/11/2010 19:37:27] Darren McMillan: cool sounds like fun, installing now

[24/11/2010 19:37:31] James Lyndsay: Will be in and out – router flaked out and now unexpected guests have arrived. Must do this more often… great to trigger the unexpected. Luckily I have a handful of familarity with Stellarium

[24/11/2010 19:37:45] *** European Weekend Testers added Zeger Van Hese ***

[24/11/2010 19:37:59] European Weekend Testers: Welcome Zeger

[24/11/2010 19:38:09] European Weekend Testers: We have started working on the session

[7:34 PM] European Weekend Testers:

<<< Please download the application Stellarium from http://sourceforge.net/projects/stellarium/ for our inaugural session of WeekNight testing.

and the mission for the session is

[7:34 PM] European Weekend Testers:

<<< – Learn the application for 15 min starting from 19:30

- Look for functional bugs for the next 45 min.

[24/11/2010 19:39:19] *** European Weekend Testers added Shreyans Patel ***

[24/11/2010 19:39:24] Zeger Van Hese: hi everybody

[24/11/2010 19:39:28] European Weekend Testers: Welcome Shreyans

[24/11/2010 19:39:56] European Weekend Testers: We have started working on the session

[24/11/2010 19:40:04] European Weekend Testers:  Please download the application Stellarium from http://sourceforge.net/projects/stellarium/ for our inaugural session of WeekNight testing.

and the mission for the session is

[24/11/2010 19:40:12] European Weekend Testers: – Learn the application for 15 min starting from 19:30

- Look for functional bugs for the next 45 min.

[24/11/2010 19:42:25] Mike Scott: Wow constellation art is nice but kills the machine

[24/11/2010 19:43:11] Darren McMillan: The read me is interesting

[24/11/2010 19:43:22] Darren McMillan: this line I like a lot “You can however change it by hand in the file config.ini in the user data”

[24/11/2010 19:43:22] Mike Scott: 50% CPU need to switch machine

[24/11/2010 19:43:52] Darren McMillan: sounds like it would die on my home pc :P

[24/11/2010 19:44:35] Mike Scott: How do I change location? It says I am in Paris (I wish:))

[24/11/2010 19:45:05] *** European Weekend Testers added Srikanth Ranya ***

[24/11/2010 19:45:23] European Weekend Testers: There is a option Mike where u could change the location

[24/11/2010 19:45:29] European Weekend Testers: Welcome Srikanth

[24/11/2010 19:46:20] European Weekend Testers: @Mike – frm location window

[24/11/2010 19:46:39] Anand Ramdeo: http://www.stellarium.org/wiki/index.php/Quickstart_guide

[24/11/2010 19:46:40] European Weekend Testers: Good one Darren

[24/11/2010 19:46:50] Shreyans Patel: Mike press F6

[24/11/2010 19:46:56] Anand Ramdeo: This might help to find your way around

[24/11/2010 19:47:25] European Weekend Testers: Team 45 min more :)

[24/11/2010 19:48:17] European Weekend Testers: We have 10 testers in the session now

[24/11/2010 19:48:20] Mike Scott: OK Like quickstart (would have been nice in the readme

[24/11/2010 19:53:37] Mike Scott: Do we have bugtrack repository?

[24/11/2010 19:53:59] European Weekend Testers: No Mike for the first session I did not include it

[24/11/2010 19:54:10] European Weekend Testers: we have a open account at mantiss

[24/11/2010 19:54:19] European Weekend Testers: we shall use it in the next sessions

[24/11/2010 19:54:29] *** European Weekend Testers added tonybruceuk ***

[24/11/2010 19:54:50] Mike Scott: OK do you want us to report as we find them?  Prefix BUG:

[24/11/2010 19:55:19] European Weekend Testers: you could note it down in a word doc or notepad and share it in the session at 20:30

[24/11/2010 19:55:35] Mike Scott: OK

[24/11/2010 19:56:43] *** European Weekend Testers added Sandra Harrison-Burcombe ***

[24/11/2010 20:03:15] Darren McMillan: Mike even on my crazy spec office PC I’m finding it hard to use

[24/11/2010 20:03:30] Darren McMillan: performance is lacking to say the least

[24/11/2010 20:03:46] Zeger Van Hese: Extremely heavy flickering when speeding up time

[24/11/2010 20:04:24] Mike Scott: Trying without Open GL on my old Compaq laptop seems faster

[24/11/2010 20:04:52] European Weekend Testers: look for other reources eating up the CPU, memory

[24/11/2010 20:06:01] Mike Scott: Skype is using lots of memory maybe I should shut it down :)

[24/11/2010 20:07:22] Darren McMillan: -Configuration options F2 > tools > star catalog updates “Download this file to view even more stars” hmmm….

[24/11/2010 20:10:25] Zeger Van Hese: more stars? nooooooooooooooooooooo!

[24/11/2010 20:11:42] Darren McMillan: I think your right, it’ll only lead to trouble ;)

[24/11/2010 20:11:52] Mike Scott: I don’t have the CPU for more stars

[24/11/2010 20:13:03] Ajay Balamurugadas: mins left plz?

[24/11/2010 20:14:57] European Weekend Testers: 16 mins more

[24/11/2010 20:15:32] Mike Scott: Wow where did the time go

[24/11/2010 20:15:34] European Weekend Testers: Mission – Look for functional bug

[24/11/2010 20:16:03] European Weekend Testers: Mission – Look for functional bugs

[24/11/2010 20:16:32] Anand Ramdeo: I know that was the first observation I noted.. application is so impressive it can divert you from the mission :)

[24/11/2010 20:17:07] *** European Weekend Testers added eusebiu blindu ***

[24/11/2010 20:17:09] Anand Ramdeo: BTW that was a nice reminder again – I started looking for data bug rather than functional bug

[24/11/2010 20:18:15] eusebiu blindu: Hi All

[24/11/2010 20:18:23] eusebiu blindu: messed up the time

[24/11/2010 20:20:05] European Weekend Testers: 10 more min

[24/11/2010 20:20:56] Zeger Van Hese: Welcome Eusebio. You have 10 minutes to install, figure out the app and look for functional bugs. GO!

[24/11/2010 20:21:06] Zeger Van Hese: *Eusebiu

[24/11/2010 20:21:10] Zeger Van Hese: :)

[24/11/2010 20:21:21] eusebiu blindu: omg

[24/11/2010 20:21:23] eusebiu blindu: :)

[24/11/2010 20:21:44] eusebiu blindu: sounds like a commercial :)

[24/11/2010 20:22:32] eusebiu blindu: 10 min looks only the download!

[24/11/2010 20:22:47] European Weekend Testers: 8 more min :)

[24/11/2010 20:23:59] Zeger Van Hese: Good luck Eusebiu. Use some Rapid Testing, I’d say :)

[24/11/2010 20:24:06] eusebiu blindu: :)

[24/11/2010 20:25:08] European Weekend Testers: Last 5 min

[24/11/2010 20:25:11] Darren McMillan: Ahh Rigel Kent!  I remeber you from my Frontier Elite days, I belive you made me a lot of money (yawn)

[24/11/2010 20:26:48] eusebiu blindu: 15 min :)

[24/11/2010 20:27:00] Rakesh Reddy: Bonus :)

[24/11/2010 20:27:22] *** European Weekend Testers added Francis Balfe (SQS) ***

[24/11/2010 20:29:05] European Weekend Testers: Last min

[24/11/2010 20:29:28] European Weekend Testers: No Bonus testers :) , I know we always like time to test

[24/11/2010 20:29:57] eusebiu blindu: can somone send me the executable?

[24/11/2010 20:30:02] eusebiu blindu: over skype?

[24/11/2010 20:30:10] European Weekend Testers: Times UP#

[24/11/2010 20:30:16] European Weekend Testers: Stop Testing

[24/11/2010 20:30:22] European Weekend Testers: Testers STOP

[24/11/2010 20:30:31] European Weekend Testers: Time to SHIP :)

[24/11/2010 20:30:46] Anand Ramdeo: Okay.. but we need SPACE SHIP :)

[24/11/2010 20:30:52] Ajay Balamurugadas: done

[24/11/2010 20:30:55] Rakesh Reddy: Product not ready for release :)

[24/11/2010 20:30:59] European Weekend Testers: hahaha

[24/11/2010 20:31:26] Ajay Balamurugadas: Michael Bolton will come now : get out of QA business Rakesh :)

[24/11/2010 20:31:29] eusebiu blindu: ok bug: downloading the application takes time, client lost

[24/11/2010 20:31:43] eusebiu blindu: I will try another server though :)

[24/11/2010 20:31:48] European Weekend Testers: Team time to start discussing

[24/11/2010 20:31:54] Ajay Balamurugadas: Sebi u want exe?

[24/11/2010 20:32:02] European Weekend Testers: First question to every one

[24/11/2010 20:32:05] Rakesh Reddy: hahaha

[24/11/2010 20:32:26] Zeger Van Hese: hit us

[24/11/2010 20:32:34] European Weekend Testers: Reuqest each of u take the turn and answer the questions

[24/11/2010 20:32:43] Zeger Van Hese: ok

[24/11/2010 20:33:03] European Weekend Testers: – Did you enjoy the session?

- How did you learn the application? What do you feel helped you learn this application faster?

- Did u meet the mission? If yes how? If not why?

- Bugs Pls?

[24/11/2010 20:33:17] European Weekend Testers: Who’s first

[24/11/2010 20:33:42] Anand Ramdeo: I dont mind being first :)

[24/11/2010 20:33:51] European Weekend Testers: pls go ahead

[24/11/2010 20:34:00] Ajay Balamurugadas: 2 mins and everyone writes the answers offline? so that we save time when everyone just pastes them and we don’t look at the running pencils

[24/11/2010 20:34:12] European Weekend Testers: ya Ajay good tip

[24/11/2010 20:34:30] Ajay Balamurugadas: Michael’s tip :)

[24/11/2010 20:34:46] Anand Ramdeo: okay.. I will wait for a minute before posting my answers

[24/11/2010 20:35:08] tonybruceuk: Can’t believe I missed the first Weeknight Testing session. Doh

[24/11/2010 20:36:14] European Weekend Testers: Not to worry Tony, the fun begins now

[24/11/2010 20:36:32] European Weekend Testers: Testers…shoot ur answers

[24/11/2010 20:36:39] European Weekend Testers: – Did you enjoy the session?

- How did you learn the application? What do you feel helped you learn this application faster?

- Did u meet the mission? If yes how? If not why?

- Bugs Pls?

[24/11/2010 20:36:49] Anand Ramdeo: It was a nice experience. Haven’t tested like this for ages and looks like weekend testing will be an integral part from  now onwards. Pretty interesting way to learn testing and new application as well.

[24/11/2010 20:37:17] Anand Ramdeo: While downloading is in progress, will try to read some documentation for the project.

My knowledge about astronomy is extremely limited so opening wikipedia for ready reference.

It is still downloading so got some links with the help of google in the meantime

http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Slatlong.htm

http://www.getlatlon.com/ – Looks like nice use of maps – give

[24/11/2010 20:37:43] Anand Ramdeo: Apart from these – also opened quick reference and project homepage

[24/11/2010 20:38:05] Anand Ramdeo: Though did not get enough time to look at any of these in detail :)

[24/11/2010 20:38:42] tonybruceuk: Hmm, I’m not able to see all of the chat history.

[24/11/2010 20:38:53] Anand Ramdeo: Mission, IMO was met. Mission was to find functionl defects – Which was vague so according to my intrpretation even if I found one defect – mission was achieved ;)

[24/11/2010 20:39:13] European Weekend Testers: Good one Anand :)

[24/11/2010 20:39:24] Ajay Balamurugadas: Excellent use of time, I would say.

[24/11/2010 20:39:29] Anand Ramdeo: Some of the notes / bugs

[24/11/2010 20:39:29] Anand Ramdeo: * Started exploring generally – looks pretty impressive and take our focus away from testing to admiring :)

* In the configuration window we can download catalogue, but cancelling it and retrying does not remember its location.

* Find object in the left tool bar does not give any information on what is being searched.

* Okay so it seems with find object we can search star names, but should it not give some error message if we search City?

* Also, its suggestion list is a bit weird, instead of suggesting in vertical order it gave suggestions side by side, a bit odd because it makes it a bit difficult to navigate

* Up / down arrows can be used for the list of suggestions, but enter does not work.  Even selecting it with double click does not work and we have to select it and click on find to search

* Some issues with the data, in the absence of source it’s difficult to say though. Compared data for Rigel with Wikipedia

* On the same lines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Orion_constellation_map.png shows aldebaran in the RHS to Rigel which is not the case on Stellarium

* In the date time window it is possible to specify year as 0000 and chugging month  is changing year to -1

* Some of the viewing option does not make sense – for example selecting tree without looking at ground is of no use

* It seems we can not deselect the default viewing preference – only way to change is to select another viewing option and make that default.

[24/11/2010 20:40:04] Anand Ramdeo: Sorry for rather long notes..  but I am done for now :)

[24/11/2010 20:40:23] Ajay Balamurugadas: Brilliant :) talk about note taking.

[24/11/2010 20:40:32] European Weekend Testers: Great notes Anand

[24/11/2010 20:40:51] Anand Ramdeo: Thanks guys. Who’s next?

[24/11/2010 20:41:30] Anand Ramdeo: Or what’s the procedure – do we discuss these notes?

[24/11/2010 20:41:32] European Weekend Testers: Whose Next..great start from Anand

[24/11/2010 20:41:43] Ajay Balamurugadas: anyone in time zone past midnight

[24/11/2010 20:42:30] eusebiu blindu: I can give some observation till now

[24/11/2010 20:42:36] European Weekend Testers: Mike, James, Darren, Rakesh, Shreyans, ?

[24/11/2010 20:42:40] Darren McMillan:

- Did you enjoy the session?

Personally I felt it was quite a large application to test in a short time frame.  Apart from that it was interesting to have a play around with it, though the performance of the application was a real turn off for me.

- How did you learn the application? What do you feel helped you learn this application faster?

I had a run over the read me file to see what the application was about first & also for a chance to learn any extra potential useful information that would help me improve my chances of finding bugs.  The extra configuration options in the read me looked like a gold mine for bugs, however I never had time to test this.

I made a cheat sheet for shortcut keys for the app, to help speed up my testing.

Then I played about with it a little to get a feel for it.

- Did u meet the mission? If yes how? If not why?

Not really I had a kid running around me to contend with so my testing capacity was limited, what I did do though appeared to be limited by the poor performance of the application.

I felt I managed to learn it fairly quickly so I think I managed that part of the mission & bugs I found some of those :)   So I guess since you declared no limit I met that also :)

[24/11/2010 20:43:39] Mike Scott: Enjoyed the session Yes.

Couldn’t get to grips with the app until Darren found the quickstart that helped

Would heve been better if readme pointed to the quickstart or had quickstart text

Really just took a fairly random wander through the app.  Maybe need to be more focused

Hampered in the session by slow performance of the app.  Spent 5 mins trying to set location because app still rendering in the background

Note 50% cpu pretty constant

Note Sort of takes over the desktop when it starts but can change that

Note Wow constellation art  is nice but kills machine

Bug Doesn’t set location based on input

Bug Still rendering in background when setting location =.  Really bad performance

Bug Weird font on Compaq 6715b using OpenGL

Note Must select objects and hold at high zoom otherwise they wander off screen

Bug Double clicked on time selection and killed app

Bug When object is select and zoomed in if you click to move it restarts time

Bug Search on find object does not allow select of highlighted text

Recorded session using RapidReporter for first time

[24/11/2010 20:43:57] Ajay Balamurugadas: Sebi, after you

[24/11/2010 20:43:57 | Edited 20:43:58] Ajay Balamurugadas: just realized that 4 hrs of battery is lost after 1 hr of Stellarium

[24/11/2010 20:44:11] Darren McMillan: some bugs I noted

[24/11/2010 20:44:12] Darren McMillan: Performance was slow (I cried a lot about this, well not really..)

Only made use of one of my 4 cpu’s on my works godly pc :)

Hard to select objects when zoomed out far

read me could do with more info on keys

configuration (F2) transparent hard to read at times

- Star catalog update didn’t work for me.

Planet Labels, some don’t display as expected for example I had the moon curve in the opposite direction from the planet

Search wasn’t very good, often it would fail to find object I had in my view, so I knew they existed.  Likewise fuzzy matching didn’t always work

Some objects had duplicate names for me, for example “2 and” would appear with two labels on it’s name if I zoomed right into it

[24/11/2010 20:46:12] eusebiu blindu: Did you enjoy the session?

A: Yes, always

- How did you learn the application? What do you feel helped you learn this application faster?

A: Was late. It looks like an interesting application

- Did u meet the mission? If yes how? If not why?

A: I have a short bug/observation to make

- Bugs Pls?

A: Changed the language to Romanian and back to English but the letters became deprecated

[24/11/2010 20:46:24] tonybruceuk: So did anybody focus on a area?  Just reading what has been posted it seems like everybody was trying to go through as much as possible in the timeframe.

[24/11/2010 20:46:29] Ajay Balamurugadas: Before I get disconnected due to empty battery…

[24/11/2010 20:46:31] Ajay Balamurugadas: – Did you enjoy the session?

Yes, the application was a good one. except for the size of the app. A heuristic: Greater the size of the installer, higher the CPU usage?

- How did you learn the application? What do you feel helped you learn this application faster?

Quick User guide, keyboard tour.

Every key had something to offer. The details at each step helped to learn faster. It would have been difficult if all the details was posted in one screen.

- Did u meet the mission? If yes how? If not why?

Yes, as long as the mission is to find functional bugs.

- Bugs Pls?

1. High CPU Usage. Most of the times, with just the application and Skype running, 100% CPU usage.

Need to investigate more on which features are more intensive.

2. F2: Overlap of text when language is changed. GUI bug? Functional Bug?

3. Ctrl + F : Find feature. The closest value/text is displayed but cannot be selected.

Good to have the search result selectable.

4. Most of the features are left to the discovery skills of users. F2 > Scripts tab. Run any of the scripts. Move the mouse at the footer, a new menu bar would pop up.

[24/11/2010 20:46:58] European Weekend Testers: So did anybody focus on a area?  Just reading what has been posted it seems like everybody was trying to go through as much as possible in the timeframe.

[24/11/2010 20:47:22] European Weekend Testers: A heuristic: Greater the size of the installer, higher the CPU usage?

[24/11/2010 20:47:55] European Weekend Testers: Recorded session using RapidReporter for first time

[24/11/2010 20:48:04] European Weekend Testers: Others?

[24/11/2010 20:48:18] Anand Ramdeo: Somehow performance of application was not that bad for me – I am on a MacBook though

[24/11/2010 20:48:18] Zeger Van Hese: i also used RapidReporter

[24/11/2010 20:48:26 | Edited 20:49:04] eusebiu blindu: RapidReported is an illegal tool! U can use it in AMsterdam though

(Joking) (dance)

[24/11/2010 20:48:38] European Weekend Testers: illegal?

[24/11/2010 20:49:23] Francis Balfe (SQS): How do you know someone has a Macbook? ….They tell you :)

[24/11/2010 20:49:26] Anand Ramdeo: Tony – I did not focus on the single area – bt did try to explore as much as I could by allocating around 2 mins to understand if it made sense 5 mins testing it before moving on to next one

[24/11/2010 20:49:29] tonybruceuk: And a follow up question, was there any talk of splitting up areas and working together?

[24/11/2010 20:49:41] Darren McMillan: Anand thats because the developers all have macbooks ;)

[24/11/2010 20:50:28] Anand Ramdeo: I am not a developer :) And yes, when you have MacBook you are in love and you tell people that you have MacBook ;;)

[24/11/2010 20:50:32] Zeger Van Hese: @Tony, was a bit late too, so everyone was already gone and busy

[24/11/2010 20:50:45] European Weekend Testers: James u there? would love to look at ur observations

[24/11/2010 20:50:56] Zeger Van Hese: all…. by… myse-e-e-elf

[24/11/2010 20:51:33] European Weekend Testers: Shreyans Patel – ur view pls?

[24/11/2010 20:51:39] Alain Bohon: – Did you enjoy the session?

I did its exciting to learn fellas from all over the globe.

- How did you learn the application? What do you feel helped you learn this application faster?

Mostly I tried exploration but also read some documentation. It would have been great to have at least one

more hour, this is the first time that play with a program of this domain.

- Did u meet the mission? If yes how? If not why?

My mission is to learn so I did.

- Bugs Pls?

I’m able to bring all the windows options giving a click on them but I’m able to bring only one with their shortcut (F5,F6, etc)

[24/11/2010 20:53:05] European Weekend Testers:  It would have been great to have at least one

more hour, this is the first time that play with a program of this domain.

[24/11/2010 20:53:58] European Weekend Testers: I wanted this application to be from a domain which is not common

[24/11/2010 20:54:23] Alain Bohon: good work!

[24/11/2010 20:54:36] Zeger Van Hese: well, you certainly succeeded at that :)

[24/11/2010 20:54:48] Anand Ramdeo: IMO, domain should not matter and applications like this does make you think harder :)

[24/11/2010 20:55:01] European Weekend Testers: IMO, domain should not matter and applications like this does make you think harder :)

[24/11/2010 20:55:14] Zeger Van Hese: i like it more when I don’t know the domain. More to explore…

[24/11/2010 20:55:25] Mike Scott: Hi Zeger did we get your log?

[24/11/2010 20:55:27] tonybruceuk: I’m not too worried about domain.  I can test anything :D

[24/11/2010 20:55:33] Zeger Van Hese: Not yet

[24/11/2010 20:55:37] European Weekend Testers: WOW nice quotes

[24/11/2010 20:55:37] Zeger Van Hese: can I go ahead?

[24/11/2010 20:55:38] European Weekend Testers: i like it more when I don’t know the domain. More to explore…

[24/11/2010 20:55:40] Anand Ramdeo: Only if you come on time Tony :)

[24/11/2010 20:55:54] European Weekend Testers: Pls Zeger

[24/11/2010 20:56:09] Zeger Van Hese: Ok, her goes:

Did I enjoy?

Yes – it was all discovery for me – i’m not really a galactic wizz kid.Lots of things to explore, so no problem. Came in late, so I felt a bit in a rush.

How did I learn the app?

while downloading, I checked the http://stellarium.org/ site and checked some of the claims on their site:

- realistic (relatively testable, as far as I can assess realistic skies)

- over 600,000 stars (hard to check now)

- powerful zoom (testable)

- multilingual (testable)

I Read the readme file too – invaluable because the navigation hotkeys are mentioned.

I used Rapid Reporter to take notes – worked but the combination of Stellarium+Rapid Reporter made the latter flicker constantly.

I realised I really had to focus on some smaller parts of the application because of all the possibilities and the limited timeframe

So I focused on the menu bars and some shortcuts (J, K and L keys)

Some bugs:

- Increasing speed causes the application to flicker beyond control

- confusing use of little shorcut letters/combinations of characters: not clear at al

- The transparency of the menus is not userfriendly – becomes unreadable very easily when multiple ones are open

- location menu: apparently selected ation is represented by one letter above menu – confusing and ambiguous – use?

- The lack of confirm when modifying settings is confusing

- the date/time settings have unrealistic values, cannot be modified

Did I meet the mission?

I’d say yes since some functional bugs were found – as Anand said

[24/11/2010 20:57:28] tonybruceuk: Nice, some really good logs from everybody so far.

[24/11/2010 20:57:35] Mike Scott: Cool claims testing.  I only RTM

[24/11/2010 20:57:51] European Weekend Testers: Zeger tht’s awesome for the time u had

[24/11/2010 20:57:59] Rakesh Reddy: – Did you enjoy the session?

Yes, application is intresting and distracting too :)

- How did you learn the application? What do you feel helped you learn this application faster?

I wouldn’t say i learned the applciation completely. Quick Start quide provided with application was good enough to start testing

- Did u meet the mission? If yes how? If not why?

Misson accomplished, my intention was to attend this seesion and know what is hapenning with the session. Bonus, I learned a new application

- Bugs Pls?

As part of my session, I found following bugs

. Change in Location doesn’t update the datetime details

. Search for Galaxy Andromeda doesn’t select the object [Issue exists on for Andromeda and works fine with other objects]

[24/11/2010 20:58:40] European Weekend Testers: Cool claims testing.  I only RTM

[24/11/2010 21:00:16] Mike Scott: Francis your log?

[24/11/2010 21:00:21] European Weekend Testers: 30 more min do v have any testers still documenting :)

[24/11/2010 21:01:06] Rakesh Reddy: Intersting to see new tool Rapid Reporter, will try it next time to document the session

[24/11/2010 21:02:37] Anand Ramdeo: Yes, should be fun. Are we waiting for more reports?

[24/11/2010 21:02:45] European Weekend Testers: If everyone is done? – I have a question

How would u test this application for accuracy? What would b ur strategy?

[24/11/2010 21:03:03] Anand Ramdeo: Finding oracle would be the main thing.

[24/11/2010 21:03:04] Francis Balfe (SQS): My log? Ha, I only got it downloaded and installed in the middle of all the feedback.

First off the The README file was in .rtf format instead of the more open .txt format.

I haven’t had a chance to install Rapid Reporter but I’ll give it a try

The application is displaying complete rubbish in the top left of the screen. I may have the locale set to Klingon or something

[24/11/2010 21:03:32] Zeger Van Hese: @francis Balfe: no install necessary for Rapid Reporter, just run an exe

[24/11/2010 21:04:24] tonybruceuk: @Anand, agreed, some kind of Oracle would be need, plenty of kinds to choose from

[24/11/2010 21:04:32] Mike Scott: Francis I also got Klingon until I tried without OpenGL are you using Compaq 6715b?

[24/11/2010 21:05:17] Zeger Van Hese: I also got the Klingon – forget to mention that

[24/11/2010 21:05:21] Francis Balfe (SQS): @Mike Scott. Yes using the Compaq

[24/11/2010 21:05:29] Mike Scott: Testing for acuracy you would need a domain expert or a star atlas

[24/11/2010 21:06:05] European Weekend Testers: @Mike @Francis : Interesting environment

[24/11/2010 21:06:07] Mike Scott: Could also try against google but really hard to be p

[24/11/2010 21:06:13] Francis Balfe (SQS): RapidReporter has to be the fastest download, install, use timeframe I’ve seem in years

[24/11/2010 21:06:20] Mike Scott: sorry quick fingers

[24/11/2010 21:06:30] Mike Scott: Hard to check precicely

[24/11/2010 21:06:30] tonybruceuk: How often is it updated? New planets, etc are found all the time.

[24/11/2010 21:06:46] Darren McMillan: One thing I’ll be taking away for sure is claims testing I like that Zeger.

James Whittaker talks about it in his recent book on exploratory testing, the money tour or something he calls it, I’ll need to dig out the book.  He mentions sitting down with people from you demo & sales teams to see what they consider the money making features of you application as a way of deciding risk during a tour.  I liked that a lot, helpfull if the demo team we’re hoping to use a milestone for me to sit with them and gather thier claims & money makers :)

[24/11/2010 21:07:19] European Weekend Testers: James Whittaker talks about it in his recent book on exploratory testing, the money tour or something he calls it, I’ll need to dig out the book.  He mentions sitting down with people from you demo & sales teams to see what they consider the money making features of you application as a way of deciding risk during a tour.  I liked that a lot, helpfull if the demo team we’re hoping to use a milestone for me to sit with them and gather thier claims & money makers :)

[24/11/2010 21:07:27] Zeger Van Hese: Good point Tony – hard to map that ever expanding galaxy. But it’s a nice model to get a good idea of what’s out there

[24/11/2010 21:07:28] James Lyndsay: Will read progress and join you for the last 20 mins, with any luck

[24/11/2010 21:08:17] Mike Scott: Great James,  would also like to hear your views since you already use the app

[24/11/2010 21:08:20] tonybruceuk: I haven’t checked out the app, does it claim to be accurate?

[24/11/2010 21:08:38] Zeger Van Hese: Hi James

[24/11/2010 21:08:58] Darren McMillan: What about the competition I’d look at the competion if it’s free & quick to use, I could use two apps as a basis to test this apps accuracy, before refering to something I know is 100% accurate

[24/11/2010 21:09:00] tonybruceuk: Considering space is infinite I’m not surprise the app was cpu hungry

[24/11/2010 21:09:14] European Weekend Testers: @James Testers…shoot ur answers

[8:36:41 PM] European Weekend Testers: [8:33 PM] European Weekend Testers:

<<< – Did you enjoy the session?

- How did you learn the application? What do you feel helped you learn this application faster?

- Did u meet the mission? If yes how? If not why?

- Bugs Pls?

[24/11/2010 21:09:14] Mike Scott: Claim “Stellarium is free GPL software which renders realistic skies in real time with openGL. With Stellarium, you really see what you can see with your eyes, binoculars or a small telescope. Stellarium is also used in planetariums.” from the wiki

[24/11/2010 21:09:31] European Weekend Testers: Good one Tony [9:09:01 PM] tonybruceuk: Considering space is infinite I’m not surprise the app was cpu hungry

[24/11/2010 21:10:32] tonybruceuk: So it claims to be realistic, thats different to accurate.

[24/11/2010 21:11:17] tonybruceuk: Braveheart was realistic but about as accurate as…..heh, couldn’t think of anything, about as accurate as something not accurate!

[24/11/2010 21:11:49] Mike Scott: Re performance this is what they say it can be run on “To give you an idea of what’s possible, we’ve had success with these older computers:

Pentium III 800Mhz, 128MB RAM, Intel on board graphics (under Windows XP).

AMD K6 400 Mhz, 256MB RAM, Nvidia Gforce2 AGP, DirectX 9.0 (Windows XP)

Mac PPC’s back to about 667MHz, running at least OSX 10.3.9, any Mac Intel”

[24/11/2010 21:12:14] James Lyndsay: Competition: starwalk on iPad, starry night, google earth pointed outwards

[24/11/2010 21:12:25] James Lyndsay: none as nasty to CPU

[24/11/2010 21:12:33] Anand Ramdeo: Nice to know these James

[24/11/2010 21:13:37] Mike Scott: What did people think of the realtime moving of the map?

[24/11/2010 21:13:44] tonybruceuk: @Mike, what’s considered success though? Is getting it to start a success?

[24/11/2010 21:13:50] James Lyndsay: My view (as user) – doesn’t play well with dual displays, inded seems to go against my expectations of how a full screen app should play nice

[24/11/2010 21:14:10] eusebiu blindu: maybe is dependent by OS. no one tried linux version which maybe was the base one

[24/11/2010 21:14:25] eusebiu blindu: and the other are not yet optimised

[24/11/2010 21:14:54] Zeger Van Hese: @Mike was it moving realtime? Wasn’t aware of that. Speeding up time sure caused trouble

[24/11/2010 21:15:16] tonybruceuk: I’m on Ubuntu right now but I’m on a netbook, sounds like it probably wouldn’t run.

[24/11/2010 21:15:37] eusebiu blindu: so it doesn’t work?

[24/11/2010 21:15:41] eusebiu blindu: maybe some dependencies

[24/11/2010 21:16:01] Mike Scott: Yes moving realtime I think.  This caused problems for me at high zoom.  Just found a nice nebula and it slides off the side of the screen

[24/11/2010 21:16:14] tonybruceuk: @Eusebiu, I haven’t actually tried it.

[24/11/2010 21:16:18] Francis Balfe (SQS): @Mike how did you switch off the OpenGL to get it working on the Compaq?

[24/11/2010 21:16:47] Mike Scott: There is an alternative on the start menu

[24/11/2010 21:17:08] Mike Scott: Once I did that it seemed to work OK

[24/11/2010 21:17:42] European Weekend Testers: Testers we have 10 more min to end the session. I know 2 hrs is less for such a group. :)

[24/11/2010 21:17:48] James Lyndsay: Did anyone get to the max/min dates?

[24/11/2010 21:17:57] James Lyndsay: sorry – out of context. ignore me

[24/11/2010 21:18:01] Anand Ramdeo: Yes..I went to 0000

[24/11/2010 21:18:01] European Weekend Testers: So any pointers, hints to improve our next sessions

[24/11/2010 21:18:10] Zeger Van Hese: I saw the dates menu – it was messup up to start with

[24/11/2010 21:18:12] Anand Ramdeo: and changing month after that turned year into -1

[24/11/2010 21:18:44] Darren McMillan: I tried yr 99999 & max for everything else appeared to work ok

[24/11/2010 21:18:52] Mike Scott: Did everyone dump their log?

[24/11/2010 21:18:55] Rakesh Reddy: max/min dates yes went to 0000 and -99998

[24/11/2010 21:19:24] James Lyndsay: Interesint – my min date -99998-02–30 23:59:58

[24/11/2010 21:19:31] Darren McMillan: Can we try a thinking mans challenge next time :D

[24/11/2010 21:19:41] Darren McMillan: give me nothing but a textual scenario :D

[24/11/2010 21:19:42] European Weekend Testers: any pointers, hints to improve our next sessions

[24/11/2010 21:19:48] European Weekend Testers: 10 more min team

[24/11/2010 21:20:11] Mike Scott: How often should we do this?

[24/11/2010 21:20:32] Zeger Van Hese: @Mike every two weeks or so?

[24/11/2010 21:20:37] tonybruceuk: Sure, like what kind of thing?

[24/11/2010 21:20:48] Darren McMillan: I’d be happy with weekly myself

[24/11/2010 21:21:07] Darren McMillan: I be keen for them to be aimed at a specific learning aspect each time though

[24/11/2010 21:21:19] Anand Ramdeo: Agree with Darren.

[24/11/2010 21:21:21] Darren McMillan: so increasing peoples skill points in testing

[24/11/2010 21:21:43] Anand Ramdeo: This session was good.. but it is difficult to say what did we learn from this session.

[24/11/2010 21:21:49] tonybruceuk: Well I don’t know about any of the other guys but I’m happy for anybody who can come up with a session to run one.

[24/11/2010 21:22:07] Anand Ramdeo: Though indirect learning of testing a new application and exercising our brain is certainly there.

[24/11/2010 21:22:20] Alain Bohon: @European Weekend Testers IMO it will be nice to know which application we’re gonna test before we start the session, it took me 10 mins to download and install the app.

[24/11/2010 21:22:27] Zeger Van Hese: Darren, do you mean also giving some pointers at the beginning of every session? Or letting everyone go off, mess around and learn from that?

[24/11/2010 21:22:43] European Weekend Testers: @Alain – point noted

[24/11/2010 21:22:51] Darren McMillan: for me challenges with my team going into it I know what I want them to learn

[24/11/2010 21:22:58] Darren McMillan: I don’t always have to state it

[24/11/2010 21:23:11] tonybruceuk: @Alain, installation could be part of your testing?

[24/11/2010 21:23:16] Darren McMillan: but in the debrief they will come out feeling refreshed & educated

[24/11/2010 21:23:25] eusebiu blindu: @Alain I had the same problem, different mirror can download it in few seconds

[24/11/2010 21:23:31] Zeger Van Hese: Well, I can only speak for myself, but I always learn from the debriefs – what did I miss, how did others tackle some issues

[24/11/2010 21:23:38] James Lyndsay: Like the transcript over skype. +1 on wanting to know app beforehand for d/l and tool setup

[24/11/2010 21:24:27 | Edited 21:24:42] eusebiu blindu: @Alain I initially reported as a bug :) the long time to download

[24/11/2010 21:24:42] European Weekend Testers: previously we had observed tht narrow missions saw most of the testers drop out so we look towards a generic mission

[24/11/2010 21:24:50] Alain Bohon: @tonybruceuk agree I just mention that because of the short time that we use here for explore/test

[24/11/2010 21:24:58] James Lyndsay: May be more positive to ask for / summarise learning points after session. Before session risks second-guessing exploration.

[24/11/2010 21:25:06] Mike Scott: I liked the free format for the first session but would be good to mix it up and maybe do specifc some weeks and more open in others.

[24/11/2010 21:25:28] Anand Ramdeo: Agree with Mike and James

[24/11/2010 21:26:07] Darren McMillan: Here is a good example of testing with next to nothing & what you can learn http://www.bettertesting.co.uk/content/?p=190

[24/11/2010 21:26:10] James Lyndsay: {good idea to test real-time planetarium after dark}

[24/11/2010 21:26:35] Darren McMillan: for me this was probably a bit much to get to grips with in the short time period and come out having learned a lot

[24/11/2010 21:26:45] European Weekend Testers: Thanks for the suggestion Team, WOW loads of notes for the next session

[24/11/2010 21:26:53] Darren McMillan: with something smaller I could have got more out of it I felt

[24/11/2010 21:26:58] Zeger Van Hese: Big takaway of every WT session: time is always limited, so keep focus limited

[24/11/2010 21:27:11] European Weekend Testers: Big takaway of every WT session: time is always limited, so keep focus limited

[24/11/2010 21:27:20] James Lyndsay: (man with 3 mins testing says +1 to ZvH)

[24/11/2010 21:27:23] Mike Scott: Who wants to facilitate the next one?

[24/11/2010 21:27:42] Zeger Van Hese: lol @ james

[24/11/2010 21:28:16] Rakesh Reddy: agree with Zeger and also to plan you time accordingly

[24/11/2010 21:28:29] European Weekend Testers: so shall v have the sessions weekly or once in 2 weeks?

[24/11/2010 21:28:45] Darren McMillan: I’m happy with weekly

[24/11/2010 21:28:50] European Weekend Testers: also any volunteers for facilitating?

[24/11/2010 21:29:02] Mike Scott: Once in two weeks for me

[24/11/2010 21:29:05] Rakesh Reddy: Once a Week is fine for me..

[24/11/2010 21:29:06] James Lyndsay: I’ll facilitate one, but not in the next couple of weeks.

[24/11/2010 21:29:28] tonybruceuk: We could just leave it open? If somebody has a session they want to run they go for it.

[24/11/2010 21:29:33] eusebiu blindu: Btw anyone interested in other possible project, time is an issue of course, but still http://testalways.com/ttt/ Live test puzzles

[24/11/2010 21:29:52] Zeger Van Hese: also hard to facilitate in the next weeks, but after New year I will probably be able to

[24/11/2010 21:30:08] eusebiu blindu: Yeah its the Hollydays and vacation period

[24/11/2010 21:30:15] European Weekend Testers: Team times up. I guess we could start running it once in 2 weeks

[24/11/2010 21:30:24] Mike Scott: Also try James Lindsays testing machines (If you get fed up with angry birds:))

[24/11/2010 21:30:32] European Weekend Testers: Will keep you all posted on the next session

[24/11/2010 21:30:40] eusebiu blindu: maybe we can have an application with a Theme related to winter stuff

[24/11/2010 21:30:41] James Lyndsay: I’ve got a new one on the go – DM me if you want in

[24/11/2010 21:31:44] James Lyndsay: Also: have a session scheduled at EuroSTAR for face-to-face weekend testing on the TestLab

[24/11/2010 21:32:08] Zeger Van Hese: Will be there!

[24/11/2010 21:32:09] James Lyndsay: Apps: OpenEMR, FreeMind, OSCommerce, Mantis. We’ll pick one.

[24/11/2010 21:32:15] European Weekend Testers: @James – Great Idea JAmes

[24/11/2010 21:32:22] Anand Ramdeo: Cool.. Thanks everyone for your company in last two hours. It was fun.

[24/11/2010 21:32:24] James Lyndsay: But can’t extend it beyond EuroSTAR (this time)

[24/11/2010 21:33:14] European Weekend Testers: Team times up. I guess we could start running it once in 2 weeks[24 November 2010 21:30] European Weekend Testers:

<<< Will keep you all posted on the next sessionThanks All for making this session interesting :)

[24/11/2010 21:33:22] Rakesh Reddy: My first session at WT – it was fun, thanks everyone

[24/11/2010 21:33:23] Francis Balfe (SQS): Thanks for hosting

[24/11/2010 21:33:35] James Lyndsay: Cheers all – here’s to many more.

[24/11/2010 21:33:46] eusebiu blindu: Bye all. Thanks!

[24/11/2010 21:33:57] Zeger Van Hese: Who was the EWT facilitator today?

[24/11/2010 21:33:58] Mike Scott: Thanks for running it Sharath.  Cheers to all.  Now time for a beer.

[24/11/2010 21:34:02] Alain Bohon: thank you and nice to meet you everyone, I hope to be able to learn and have fun with you in the next session.

[24/11/2010 21:34:26] European Weekend Testers: Good Night Testers. I had a great time facilitating the first session. Regards Sharath Byregowda

[24/11/2010 21:34:29] tonybruceuk: @Zeger, it was Sharath, one of the original organisers of WT.

[24/11/2010 21:34:51] Anand Ramdeo: Anyone planning to cover this session in a blog?

[24/11/2010 21:34:58] Zeger Van Hese: ah ok. Bye and thanks, Sharath!

[24/11/2010 21:35:01] European Weekend Testers: I shall take care of tht

[24/11/2010 21:35:18] Mike Scott: Thanks to all who took part.  Really enjoyed myself

[24/11/2010 21:35:48] tonybruceuk: Night all, see some of you soon I’m sure.  I’ll blog the next one, don’t think I can give this one a good right up seeing as how I missed a huge chunk of it.

[24/11/2010 21:35:58] Anand Ramdeo: Cool.. Thanks Sharath.. and everyone. felt like  @testinggeek after long time

[24/11/2010 21:36:28] European Weekend Testers: Good Night Week Night Testers. Beer time now. See ya

[24/11/2010 21:36:33] Zeger Van Hese: Bye everyone

[24/11/2010 21:36:40] Darren McMillan: Cya all, thanks for the fun time in my first every testing session after work :|

[24/11/2010 21:36:48] Mike Scott: TTFN

[24/11/2010 21:37:33] Francis Balfe (SQS): http://www.acronymfinder.com/TTFN.html

[24/11/2010 21:37:46] Francis Balfe (SQS): I’m well behind the times. Cheers. Bye

[24/11/2010 21:38:05] Rakesh Reddy: Bye, everyone

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